Take a Seat and Think

in #hive-1787083 years ago

As expected - the design for our kitchen has changed again, as we had a contractor in to have a look at our options and, we can't move the pipes for the drains and lifting the window is going to be far too expensive, and we still won't be able to match the external wall render accurately enough. So, we went to IKEA today, to have a look at some pieces, as while we know the range pretty well already, it still requires "touching" the products to make sure that we are happy with our choice.

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This picture is not from IKEA however, it is from some new furniture place that we happened to see a grand opening sign for on the way home and we checked out. Looks promising for some items at least.

And here is the design we have "settled on" (it will likely change a lot) so far:

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We have had an IKEA kitchen before, so we know what to expect and the quality was very good. Last time, we also took all of the machines from them, which are Electrolux-made pieces and they were decent too. But, since we are planning on being in this place indefinitely, we want more than decent, so we are contemplating extending our appliance budget and getting brilliant - we are looking at Miele.

For the stove top, we are thinking something like this:

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This is an induction cooktop with an inbuilt ventilation unit, which removes the need for a rangehood above. This allows us a bit more freedom with the backsplash wall space and cleans up some of the lines. They have got decent reviews and from my own experiences, Miele have very rarely failed to disappoint anyone, with their products last well beyond the average lifespan of whitegoods and appliances.

But, they are expensive.

However and it looks like for the next month or so, there is somewhat of a sale on them, which means that once we take out the appliances from IKEA and workout the difference, it adds about 50% more to the price of the appliances, but not a massive amount more to the overall price of the kitchen. It is still significant though. We would likely take the integrated IKEA fridge and freezer, with cooktop, integrated oven, microwave and dishwasher coming from Miele.



There is one major issue though - we can't find a place to actually see them, feel them, touch them. So far, everywhere we have tried do not have any display models available. It is very hard for me to spend so much on "sight unseen" products, even though I am quite certain that they will do the job and we will be happy with it. But, I am seriously considering biting the bullet and making the call, especially since it is getting increasingly hard to get pieces in, as the already disrupted supply chains are even more volatile now, due to the conflict in Ukraine.

IKEA are having trouble getting pieces so we are going to have to order relatively soon and the wooden benchtops are sourced from Russia, so there is no hope on that at all, as IKEA has pulled their production and retail distribution already.

It is interesting to me though, as we will likely end up spending a huge amount of time and energy making these various decisions and weighing up price, but not consider the cost of the effort. Also, if we do sell the place, the difference having Miele products fitted in the kitchen will make will likely more than cover the extra cost. It seems like a no-brainer decision to me, but I also have to think as to whether I am just blinded by the prettiness of these products. Still... the reputation of Miele definitely precedes it.

Price is important, but reputation matters. In the past I have been far more price sensitive and have often made the mistake of overvaluing a low price and had to buy again, buy sooner than expected or - live with something that doesn't function the way I want it to, or expected of it.

Behind the bathroom we have built from scratch in the upstairs, and the changeover of the heating system, the kitchen is going to be the third largest most expensive outlay to date. And, like the bathroom, it is going to be utilized daily. If we are going to be putting so much into it, we should make sure that it functions the best it can and we are happy with it, as we are going to be living with it for decades to come.

Now, the next problem is... because of the supply chain issues, we have to order soon, but our contractor doesn't have availability until August, which means we have to purchase and store an entire kitchen for six months in a way that it isn't going to get ruined. The only space we have available is in the basement, but I am worried that if there is any moisture, panels might warp slightly and it will all end up going together a little bit crooked. That would suck. However, we have to take the risk, because if we wait until closer to the date, the risk is we won't be able to get anything at all. Which will suck more?

This is only the second kitchen I am designing from scratch in my life, but I am hoping that it is at least as functional as the first, because that worked very well. While that was an L-shape, this space is far more challenging due to the pipe and window limitations, plus the radiator (positioned under the window) and wall lengths that don't quite fit cupboard components. It also has two doors into it, making one wall almost entirely useless. Still, these are the conditions so while perfection is not possible, perfect based on the conditions is.

Well, close enough to perfect will do me - I'm not fussy. ;)

At the end of the day though - I am almost 100% sure there will be major concessions that will have to be made and we will have to rethink and then rethink some more. Life is full of compromise.

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I'm glad you've finally assessed the real scenario of your kitchen's existing drain pipes, radiator, window position, wall lengths, etc. Leaving these architectural elements alone is a wise decision as tampering with them would escalate your costs. Despite being expensive, Miele looks like a promising brand of kitchen appliances that offers you more value for your investment. You save more on high-quality products in the long run rather than waste money on unnecessary repairs for unreliable components. It would be great to see the actual photos of your IKEA kitchen when it's finally completed.

Leaving these architectural elements alone is a wise decision as tampering with them would escalate your costs.

To move the pipes, we would have to redo the bathroom downstairs :DD Essentially, that means doubling the cost or more.

Miele are really good and at least in the washing and dryer range, they last forever.

I will definitely be adding pictures along the way - at the moment, still very much in the planning phase.

It really nice having a new kitchen with a different look

I will only get the chance a couple times in my life... may as well :

All I can say is good luck and do not buy a Frigidaire Refrigerator unless you like a lot of odd and sporadic strange noises emanating from your kitchen.

Haven't seen that brand here, but it is available in Australia. Every hour or so, our current one cracks like a car backfiring.

You would think after all this time that someone would make a fridge that is quiet.

Oh my, what a project. That’s amazing you are doing the design work yourself! As for storing everything in the basement and the concern for moisture, what about running a dehumidifier down there? I have found them to be very effective. Good luck with everything!

The problem with our basement is, the windows are so bad down there (it is mostly underground) that I am not sure it would help! :D

With this project, I am going to hire some more help than I did with the last one. The stroke last year has left me with a few issues still.

Every quality design comes with comes with a prize mostly expensive price.

You really have eyes for beauty and you are awesome in what you do

Thanks for sharing

Cheers

Eye maybe - not sure about if I have the wallet for it :)

That interior design is fabulous. Really creative thinking with sharp mind. Design like this is not easy i think.

I am not sure - at least with the programs available, it is much easier now :)

Yes, It sounds like quite an undertaking. But the reward and satisfaction of accomplishment and convenience will be worth it. There is compromises and retooling rethinking and reworking... but that is part of the journey. Enjoyed.

I "kind of" like the compromise - it sets a challenge. But, sometimes I wish things would just be easy :)

Have a nice weekend!

It is very hard for me to spend so much on "sight unseen" products, even though I am quite certain that they will do the job and we will be happy with it.

Here I thought, I'm the only one with this issue! 😂 This is why I never order online unless (1)I've reviewed it over and over again (and asked friends perhaps) and (2) I've seen the item before in a local store perhaps and just bought online for the discount. Hilarious! Hehe

Seeing and being able to touch the items just make evaluating the options an easier task!

That all sounds lovely! You are good at this design stuff. If I ever get the money saved to do my kitchen, I know who to call for help!

It seems strange to me as if you have one store there to buy white goods (yours dark :D), IKEA and one contractor to assemble.

I think that some products with low price might give a better performance. However, the problem is trust. I think to buy a new dish washer in summer and prices of them have gone up so much lately. I may buy a product with little known brand.

I'm sorry to hear that it will be too expensive to raise that window!

The design for your kitchen looks great and futuristic. There are so many decisions to make, from budget to design and choice of appliances. No easy task but if everything goes as planned, your new kitchen will be fantastic.

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The most important thing in kitchen is that should be large and doesn't contain a lot of equipment so that you can cook in comfort. I prefer wide freezers and refrigerators, I don't like the tall shape because it's dificult to move it. good evening👍

I like the wide ones too, but we don't have the space. These are integrated, so once in, won't likely be moved for a while :)

This is a great project indeed. Thanks for sharing

It is the saying of a famous Turkish businessman: "I am not rich enough to buy cheap materials." Going cheap often costs dearly.

I think the kitchen is the part that makes the house a home. When it comes to the kitchen, it would be reasonable to choose the best. I hope you get what you want.

The kitchen should be the hub of the home, but the way the current one is... No one wants to be anywhere near it :)

Do they not have storage units there? I had to put my furniture in the short term while waiting on a house to close. It was climate control, so no humidity, and it might be pricey there, but, it is better than it potentially getting ruined. Or perhaps rent a room from a friend for six months? Something that they aren't using? Or keep it in your living room. That will be popular with the wife. :)

Perhaps your in-laws have a spare room or a good basement?

I had an induction stovetop in the early part of the 2000s, they reallyjust started over here in the US and still I can remember the learning curve at the time. I was only educated on cooking with gas. Oh, yes... I didn't have the right cookware. It was high end, but, the wrong end. That instant heat was like having a Lambo Evo going 1-100 m/h - 2.9sec

I actually didn't like it at first, but, once I adjusted to the differences, it was great. I bought the right cookware, mine was not magnetic cookware and so, it didn't cook food. :( It does save energy and having it automatically shut off when the pan is not in contact, what a great safety feature when I get old and forgetful. The Wolf stove is what I ended up with. It had everything to do with life span and the fact that I was probably going to move again. At the time, the Miehl was $4,000 and the Wolf was $1,500 Given the fact that they were both top of the line, it was an easy choice for me. The induction stoves have an average life of 7 years. (Based on using it one hour a day) I had to keep that in mind when choosing one for this house.

I mixed some of my appliances. I have a Fischer Paykel two drawer dishwasher. Once I had one of those, I never turned my back on it. It has the same capacity as a standard dishwasher, but with more flexibility and opportunities for space and energy savings. I love it!!! Take a peek at one if you haven't!

I do love how you have your kitchen arranged, even if it is a must do, it is still a nice design. Good luck to you. I can say I don't envy you and I have asked for no moves until this whole problem is over. (two years ago and still I don't think I want to transfer yet) Life is difficult enough!

I'll have to check back. Life has been unkind and I feel like I never get out of my own post anymore, no time and all that stuff. :/